Friday, November 19, 2004

That, is brilliant

Unlike the people who flee from cities in search of a life free from disagreement and dark skin, we are for contentiousness, discourse, and the heightened understanding of life that grows from having to accommodate opposing viewpoints. We're for opposition. And just to be clear: The non-urban argument, the red state position, isn't oppositional, it's negational--they are in active denial of the existence of other places, other people, other ideas.
That, right there.

I thought I'd post that because, well, because I'm taking the GRE tomorrow and I'm trying to think about other things.

Also,
I want to make known that I really liked the passion, verve and [mostly] clear-headedness with which Savage and company present their case. Yes, it's unequivocal. Yes, it's illiberal of the intolerant [and intolerant of the illiberal]. Yes, it's inflammatory. It's a call to arms--something to unite behind--and it's exactly what we need.

Story time: The kids that organized prayer vigils outside Planned Parenthood used to corner we evolution advocates on the issue of human cognition. It essentially went like this: The human brain is a triadic mechanism. Cause to effect [problem to decision] then reflection. In the modern-scientific empiricist model, there are only dyadic mechanisms, cause and effect. Where, then, does the third thing come from? Reflection?

I always replied that advancements in organic computing systems (Stanford's parallel computer was my example) showed the beginning of what would become a computer's ability to think truly reflexively. Whatever. Then I'd say their argument was an oversimplification of Newton, who, time has shown, was pretty damned simplistic himself, and that I was sure [without having any proof, See also: bluffing] that modern scientific theory allows for such mechanisms. There were no scientists in the room, no one had heard of Stanford's computer project, the bluff at least ended debate. Nonetheless, it came back up several times after that.

It often took other forms. Another issue with [evolution specifically] on the question of self-reflexivity, is that the theory of evolution can't self-reflexively examine itself. My professor's illustration of this dilemma was people who claim to be tolerant. In being tolerant you ostensibly oppose intolerance. By opposing those who are intolerant, you in fact negate your own tolerance by being intolerant of those who are intolerant of others. That is, essentially, a fallacy. The entire politically correct movement is guilty of this.

I always hated this reasoning, but I never had an answer for it. I personally believe logic is not some perfect language of truth, it is a tool to be manipulated and this argument is sophistry of the worst kind. That said, I never had a rebuttal, until now. Thanks Dan. It goes something like this [in declaratory prose]:
We oppose with fervor the restriction and degradation of human worth and dignity by states and individuals. Our imperative is to eradicate ignorance and the hate it breeds. Our fallacy, the stumbling block of our ideology, is that we cherish and tolerate all people except the intolerant. This makes us hypocritical. Hypocrisy also disturbs us and we also strive to end it. So, we will redouble our efforts to end intolerance--oppose it with more rigor--for, in doing so, we also end our own hypocrisy. Once there is no intolerance, there will no longer be an ideology we oppose. Problem solved.
Then I'd turn to the kid who orchestrated the prayer vigils and flip his short ass off.

What Would Jesus Not Do? Cast stones.



11 Comments:

At 5:32 PM, Blogger Don Sheffler said...

I'd like to stay and chat but I have to run off to a college football game, which is really really important. In the meanwhile, I saw Savage & Co's article. I had to chuckle.

Focusing on bettering your city and state - exactly what the Republicans would wish you to do. Increasing community activism at the local level and bettering those in your own area, being self-sufficient and keeping your monies, i.e. your local taxation, local - precisely the state's rights' de-Federalised government the Repulicans have alway hoped you would embrace.

The idea that communities with common world-views might band together in their own little islands of utopian progressivism, and not depend on Federal top-down support of such a schematic, appears eerily to me to be a particularly conservative ideal. Hmmm.

I haven't obviously developed a PhD thesis on the matter this afternoon but I'm tossing in my 1 cent for the moment, I'll check in later.

Go Aztecs.

Don
donsense

 
At 4:15 PM, Blogger Omni said...

Do you suppose if I told those kids that all matter is made up of energy, that that energy is the same as the energy of thought, and that's why particles appear to think and why we DO think, they'd have had ANY reply other than their mouths hanging open, lol?

 
At 8:51 AM, Blogger Luke said...

Good points Don, but it's not the whole story. Though it would mean a focus on more local government action, which is usually very in line with Republican ideology (though not the current administration let's remember), the steps and programs fought for would be anti-conservative.

They are still social programs.

the State's Rights push is something that only really appeals to conservatives with a Libertarian bent, not the big government administration we have in office nor the greater trend in Republican ideology--especially as concerns social and moral issues.

 
At 9:17 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Merk, that's an interesting angle.

 
At 11:51 AM, Blogger Don Sheffler said...

"...the State's Rights push is something that only really appeals to conservatives with a Libertarian bent."

True. Actually there is a great middle-ground of overlapping ideals between the lefties, righties, and on a third corner of the triangle, the libbies.

I think it's high irony that the only power conceivably strong enough to reduce the size of our government, is our big fat government.

But back to the Savage&Co Manifesto: my first bemused reaction was that it was, strategically, no more liberal than conservative(now that I can mentally frame it a little better). Like you said, the stated goals are progressive, but I found it amusing that the vehicle of choice appeared to be ripped from the parking lot of little-r-republicans.

And taking another angle on it, I think that a lot more "conservatives" than might be immediately apparent, are fully supportive of homegrown progressivism, if only because they are of the mindset that local and regional constituencies have the ability and the right to proceed with governing themselves more thoughtfully and with more precision apropos the local sensibilies, whatever those may be. These otherwise well-meaning fiscal conservative types end up voting for a government which also includes massive bureaucracy and moral police thuggery.

If only Libertarians weren't such anarchist survivalist freaks, I'd be one. I guess I'll just have to accept being a liberepublicrat.

 
At 1:59 PM, Blogger Maya said...

I thought Dan Savage was a republican at some point? Did he renounce this, or am I just misinformed?

Good post Luke. There's a lot in this manifesto to like, and a bit to cringe at.

 
At 8:56 AM, Blogger Luke said...

Maya, I'm not sure about Savage's leanings.

I guess I always just assumed he was liberal because Savage Love is so goddamned kinky.

Though encouraging water sports while deriding poop sex might hint at a streak of conservatism.

 
At 9:39 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Ah...Dan Savage, who explained male homosexual promiscuity in terms no liberal, or at least no male, could deny.

i doubt i'll ever read one of his advice columns again, but i AM glad i read that one.

-ben

 
At 8:08 AM, Blogger Luke said...

Ben, you can't just allude to something like that.

Spell it out for God's sake.

 
At 5:39 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Gosh, you're right. i'm not usually such an obnoxious tease.

In brief the theory states that homosexual men ARE promiscuous because that's how all men are, but heterosexual men have to deal with the restraining factor of women. Since gay men don't...butt-hump central.

i only replied to this oldish post because i thought i might have the opportunity to write "butt-hump central." He who dares...wins!

-ben

 
At 6:05 AM, Blogger Luke said...

A concise yet illuminative summary--and now that I think about it, we've talked about this before I think, to similar hilarity.

Ben, when you dare, we all win.

 

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